History tells us that the Christian church, by upholding certain ‘beliefs’, have been the instrument of oppression of certain people and groups. Until enlightenment came Christians did not see what they were doing as oppression as they believed (based on the current worldview) that they were upholding God’s word. Unchangeable traits such as race, gender and currently sexual orientation, have been the criteria for treating others like second-class citizens. By not treating others as equals, a hierarchy is created that can never liberate only oppress.
Initially, when the church was birthed, Jewish males were at the top of the hierarchy, with Gentiles, women and others seen as being lesser in value. From what I can see, if God is trying to do anything in this world, He is trying to get through our thick skulls that all people are of equal value and worth and should be treated with dignity and respect. That kind of theology will create a better world for us all.
History has a sober warning to us all when we feel so convinced we are defending the ‘truth’.
The statement ‘the bible says homosexuality is a sin’ is not unlike other ‘truths’ the Christian Church has upheld over the centuries.
1. Once Heresy now Truth —The world revolves around the sun
The churches previous position — The earth is the centre of the universe
Four centuries ago church leaders refused to believe scientists such as Copernicus and Galileo, who said that the world revolved around the sun. The current worldview, based on several verses, including Joshua 10:13 where Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, implied that the earth was already standing still and therefore the sun moved. Galileo was placed under house arrest in 1633 as a heretic for stating a scientific fact that was in opposition to what the church leaders taught. Eventually the scientific evidence could no longer be denied but it wasn’t till 1992 that Pope John Paul II expressed regret for how the Galileo affair was handled—that’s an embarrassingly long time to wait for an apology.
The Catholic leaders were not the only ones to see the scientists as heretics. Martin Luther said, ‘This fool Copernicus wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy; but sacred Scripture in Joshua 10:13 tells us that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth.’ John Calvin quoted Psalm 93 in his attack on Copernicus. ‘The earth also is established. It cannot be moved.’ Calvin added, ‘Who will venture to place the authority of Copernicus above that of the Holy Spirit?’ To all Protestants these men are the founders of their faith but today we must acknowledge that their ‘biblical’ beliefs were in error. Or it would be better to say their interpretations were in error. The worldview was based on limited understanding which created wrong interpretation.
2. Once Heresy now Truth —White and black are equal
The churches previous position —White is superior, black is inferior
At the start of the 19th century, most religious groups believed that human slavery was totally acceptable based on a biblical mindset. Black people where considered to be morally and intellectually inferior to whites and it was the Christian landowners’ God-given service to humankind to keep them in check. According to the biblical understanding of the day black people had inherited the ‘curse of Ham’ (black skin to mark the cursed race) because Ham saw his father Noah lying naked after he’d passed out from too much wine. It seems quite bizarre that the drunken Noah should curse his son and black skinned people from that time because he didn’t know how to hold his liquor.
There are passages in the Old and New Testaments that approve and regulate the ownership of human slaves. It’s interesting to note that for nineteen centuries people focused on those verses and somehow missed the fundamental biblical themes of love, mercy, justice, and equality. In a more enlightened world today, when Christians read those passages on slavery, they consider it an injustice that belonged to another time and culture. A remnant remains like white supremacist organisations such as the Klu Klux Klan whose existence is justified by an outdated interpretation of the scriptures.
In Australia, approximately 100,000 Indigenous children (the stolen generation) were removed from their families by Australian government agencies and church missions between around 1900 and 1969. Originally this was carried out in the name of child welfare but resulted in extensive family and cultural damage. A well-intentioned ‘Christian’ nation created this policy believing indigenous Australians to be inferior and that they should be bred out. Today we think of this as an horrific injustice and violation of human rights. Indigenous and other Australians are still waiting for our church-going, Christian Prime Minister, on behalf of our nation to say one word that could begin healing—sorry. (A new Prime Minster changed this)
3. Once Heresy now Truth — Two people who love each other should marry no matter what colour their skin
The churches previous position — God separated the races therefore they should never marry
The last states in the US to remove the law that banned interracial marriage were in the ‘bible belt’ (the area in which conservative Christian Evangelical Protestantism is a pervasive or dominant part of the culture). As late as 1959, a couple from Virginia, the bride black, her husband white, were sentenced to one year’s gaol for getting married. In a land settled by the pilgrims that boldly proclaimed ‘liberty and justice for all’, the law stated: ‘Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with His arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages.’ In 1967 the US Supreme Court, against opposition from Virginia and North Carolina (both ‘bible belt’ states), unanimously ruled the inter-racial marriage restrictions unconstitutional. The freedom to marry, the court said, was a basic human right. It’s hard to imagine today legislation like that even existed in a civilised society but similar laws were in existence in Australia till 1967. Finally when two people of different races fell in love they were allowed to marry. The oppressed were set free.
4. Once Heresy now Truth —Men and women are of equal value and worth
The churches previous position — men are superior, women are inferior
Up until the middle of the 19th century, most Christians had a pretty clear understanding of the role of women. It was all there in the bible. To be a good Christian woman you had to dress and behave in a certain way, your chief roles being that of keeping house, raising children, and submitting to the will of your husband. Being given such basic privileges as the right to vote, hold office, preach or pastor a church – God forbid, that was men’s work and too much responsibility for the less intelligent, weaker female sex. Again, there were specific passages in the Bible that justified this kind of inequality and oppression. Whilst some denominations still treat women as second-class citizens, most have realised ‘hey what’s the issue?’ and embrace their contribution on every level.
5. Once Heresy now Truth — same sex orientation, for a percentage of the population, is a normal expression of sexuality and occurs in all of creation
The churches previous but changing position— the Bible says homosexuality is a sin
The statement ‘the Bible says homosexuality is a sin’ is actually a false statement. It’s impossible for homosexuality to be a sin. We know from science today that homosexuality is a sexual orientation like heterosexuality and therefore it’s amoral. As I find myself saying repeatedly to people who have been taught to believe the equation that homosexuality = promiscuity—‘my morality is a choice, my sexual orientation, however, isn’t’.
Many are surprised to find there is no chapter or verse for that quote we hear so often ‘the Bible says homosexuality is a sin’ in either the Old or New Testaments; it is a belief or assumption based on an interpretation of several verses—six passages out of 31,240 verses.
thanks Devin for the OT reference. But we also have bibles here in Australia just like you do in Oklahoma
Leviticus 18:22
Where did Calvin say?: “Who will venture to place the authority of Copernicus above that of the Holy Spirit?” No secondary sources.
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It’s great to see a more balanced approach to this topic. Religion has used God in ways that do not reflect how God loves and accepts everyone as they are unconditionally. Women and people of different races were rejected by the church in addition to the all the things which challenged the power and beliefs of the church, not God. As mentioned, the earth is not flat. Power and control has been used by the church and anyone that challenges this is targeted. We are human and all of us on earth have equal rights.
Daryn…that’s okay…no offense taken. I agreed with you actually.
Thanks.
Murray…what you wrote is amazing and true…man has taken over the judging of people. How arrogant to assume this role in someone elses life. Only God know what goes on inside the heart.
If we’re judged at all, we’ll be judged on how much we love….I believe this. Love is the new commandment. Judgement shows a lack of love.
Thanks for sharing..
I have been following a lot of these fundimental answers to this blog and it saddens me very much that man has taken over the place of God in judging fellow man….Where is the love that Jesus told us too have……Man does not know the heart of man..only God knows…..I am a Christian and am also a Homosexual man…..I have been as far as I can remember…..I say to those out there can they tell me who taught me to be the way i am and have been for 70 odd years……In that beautiful psalm 139….david put it perfectly……God knew me before i was born …he knew me when I was in my mothers womb he created me the way I am…..No man can tell me that I dont love my God and no one can tell me that God does not love me…..God did not make me imperfect…in his eyes I am perfect…God does not make mistakes….I love you all and nothing can stop me for doing that…….
When you read a book do you read it as a whole or just take a few verses and and dis regard the rest…….I love it when man takes part of the scripture and uses it for his own gratification…….read those quotes you all throw around but read them in the fullness of what is said before and after……I was listening to a man of God tonight say that God is speaking more in the verses before those we pick or the verses after….. How true……..Look what Jesus said about the pharasees ……who picked faults in all that he did……I can see so much of the pharasitical nature in the church today……All man wants to do is stand there and say thank you Lord that i am not like the homosexual or the wino or the down and out or the streetkids……Thank you lord that I dont have to be there for them and show your unconditional love……No Jesus was there for the woman in adultery he was there for the samaritan woman…..He dwelt among sinners…….Oh yes the pharasees saw that and what did they do…..They plotted to kill him……..What do the stiff necked of today do..exactly the same…they might not feel they want to kill but the blood of many are on their hands…….I know of many young lives taken at an early age ..through bullying, because they are someway different from their peers…..a big percentage because they were homosexual……Where does the thought of the bullies come from usually through things they have heard through their parents and to an extent from the pulpit……..I know of so many homosexual children who have been traumatised by what comes from the pulpit……I know because I was bought up in a godfearing house…….Because of the way i fealt in my self i was made to think I was filth…….I fealt because I could not control my feelings for another man I was destined for hell………And these so called
christians who say that these feelings are learnt……or the child has been molested by an older person and take it to be alright….. Rubbish none of that happened to me……Yet here I am Loving God…….and I know he loves me……I am favoured by having God fearing but unconditionly loving Christians arround me who love me as I am a sinner saved by Gods grace…..as we all are sinners saved by his grace……Dont let us be nit pickers and let us spread Gods kingdom to this world……No buts but see Jesus in everyone we can help……..God bless you all and I look forward to all of you giving your hand of fellowship to all those that are hurting especially those that have been hurt by those that hide behind the wall stating that they are christian
I leave you with the picture of Jesus writing in the earth after the accused adultress was found in the act…..I would love to know what he wrote when he said to those about to stone her.. when he said he that is without sin caste the first stone……..I feel he was writing the sins of the accusers oin the dirt…..showing that they all had sinned…Only he was without sin and he said he could not condemn her………..Yet if we look at that passage in todays light so many have condemned already those that they accuse yet they have never walked in the shoes of the condemned………I pray that God will open hearts of those that are so closed and show some of his unconditional love…..We all have sinned and come short of Gods glory…….God bless you all and I love you…for God is love.
Muzza
Sue sorry the way i wrote that looked like i was having a go at you did not think of that what i mean is at everyone who forget the teachings of jesus first and formost to be followed and the fact what he said about all subjects love the lord your god and your fellow man thats it, Jesus is who we go to God throw Jesus is the way the turth the light, Jesus is the authour and perfector of our faith and what i was trying to say i wish people would back off other people and alow them and God to have a relationship with out there interfearing, yes it is good to see all sides and study and learn from other but when people tell other that they are right then they a wrong as if you a sure then tell other to check it out with God themseleves. So sorry if you took it the wrong way i did not mean it like that actualy liked what you wrote
one thing I find really amusing about comments like Andrews is that people will give quote references to bible passages that I have studied extensively (way more than I know they have) as if they have had some great revelation and I have never picked up a bible.. I have done over 10 years of research on Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9 looking at the historical and cultural contexts plus Hebrew and Greek.,
I feel that if Andrew is willing to accept this then his next step will either be that I am deceived or quote 1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
Daryn….yes we all need to seek God for ourselves. There is also much value in what others have studied and come up with.
When I read what people have found from their studies, such as with soul force, I think and pray and listen to what God says to my heart.
As a new covenant believer, I very much look at Jesus, because He is our Truth, and He is Love. What does He say and how does He treat people?
He is the One we follow. Not people, or opinions or ideas.
We follow LOVE.
sue very interesting reading http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible As in alot of things both sides are passonate and have very good arguments but no one has the guts to say work out your own salvation or God has the answer seek him ask him and regect your preconcived thoughts I mean if the Holy Spirt is real if God is real and if we seek him first then are we not following him if you are not gblt then it is none of your concern if you are glbt then you work it out for yourself know the turth and the turth will set you free as
There is so much information out there now, counting this article, to educate us regarding homosexuality.
If someone wants to argue that it is a sin, they obviously have an opinion, but maybe they’re too lazy to do their homework adequately.
No one can use the old testament verses….I mean if you use the law you’ve got to obey all of it…not just one or two verses. And because we as Christians are not under the law, as the Israelites were…we can disregard all those old testament verses about sexual practices and any other thing.
And there were over 600 laws…I’m pleased we’re exempt.
The new testament verses people use against homosexuality have been explained over and over and can be found on many sites:
http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible
…and others. They address the practices of the time, such as temple prostitution, sexual abuse and departing so far from God that they did what wasn’t natural to them. No mention about same sex love. And Jesus made no mention of people who may have loved someone of the same sex, either.
Being homosexual is as natural as being left handed.
Being homosexual does not mean you are promiscuous or immoral….they are actions.
Some have discovered the real truth, and others are on the way to find out what God really has to say.
the argument about —‘my morality is a choice, my sexual orientation, however, isn’t’. ok what about As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia (or paedophilia) is defined as a psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents (persons age 16 or older) typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty may vary). so forget God made me this way it does not hold up same as people who only want to have sex with anaimls now before you get outraged i do not belive or would every but a homosexual in that box or even near that box all i am saying is drop the god made me that way as anyone can say that and start to show that God is love and when 2 people love eachother and are consenting adults then who the hell is anyone to judge God alone has that right i just dont like that argument as it can get twisted around and for all then that are homophobes grow up get over yourself and if you want to talk about sin and what jesus start at the sermon on the mount and start to but that into practies first, time to wake up you who love God and stop trying to tell other how to live, live first the way you should and let the master tell his servent/son what he must do. so please no one think i am putting the GLBT in with pedophilia i am just saying God made me this way anyone can say that but to say i live a moral life i love god and people and have a loving relationship with another conseting adult not may can say that and if you really beleive in sin start with what we know is sin lying maybe if you don’t ever lie the pick up that stone as we can’t argue that lying is a sin we all know it is so stop telling lies then work on all the things we know to be sin then think about thing that we don’t know for sure
@Andrew… I would agree with you that you can’t change what the bible says, however what we can do is give the bible more than just a cursory glance for the purpose of supporting our own entrenched and pre-conceived views. We surely would have to agree that while the bible may be accurate, our interpretation of it might not be as spot on as we would like to believe… otherwise Christians would not disagree on things like baptism (infant or adult), tithing, women in leadership etc etc, the list is endless.
The verses you quote aren’t called the “clobber verses” for no reason. They are the verses trotted out constantly. I would encourage you to do some more research on the interpretation of these verses with an open mind, a genuine desire for truth, compassion and a spirit of teachability.
I won’t bombard you with a whole lot of web links and information… it’s easy to find for anyone with some basic computer skills, with a desire for some independent thinking, and a prayer that god would lead them in the right direction. It’s fairly obvious that you have not even begun the journey… you don’t even make a distinction between orientation and behaviour.
My story… I am a straight Christian women, now divorced from a gay man. After my initial anger, shock and hurt I went on that quest for biblical truth and it led me to a place of compassion and support for gay people. Because of my faith I will always disapprove of sinful promiscuity, but I certainly no longer consider homosexual orientation or committed monogamous same-sex relationships to be a sins.
I am a little ashamed that it took personal tragedy for me to become interested enough to really study my bible on this subject.
To Andrew: get with the times buddy…this is not ancient society when slavery is okay or when stoning people to death is ok or nailing people to crosses, having them walk for miles and miles and then let them rot at the stake. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Bible is not fact and very from the truth. If you think that there is no bias opinion in that thing, then you need to get your head out of the sand. Read the ENTIRE bible and live by it…we’ll see how many current laws you will go to jail for. It saddens me that when the bible says that you should treat everyone the way you would like to be treated, that so many people SIN and go against this basic principle. In my opinion, it’s the only thing that we should be living by. Here is a proposition…I want you to read the entire bible as if it were a research article. Really look at it from every angle and weigh the facts and then decide what you will do and how you want to live your life. But honestly, if you think homosexuality is a sin and that you are basing this opinion off what some version of the bible says that was written and translated by human beings who are imperfect, then you are but a complete, ignorant fool! Last but not least, name one way in which homosexuality has hurt you or any of your loved ones. Name just one way it has somehow prevented your happiness…go on…try…
Homosexuality is still a sin according to the Bible, despite what you say- Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9 are just a few of the verses which say so. Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. You cannot change what the Bible says!
can you get Neil to email me….I’d like to connect with him. anthony@gayambassador.com ….thanks
thanks AB….will have a look
Thanks for a well-written article! You might be interested in a friend’s blog about Homosexuality and the Church – lcamyopinion.wordpress.com
and yes the church does not teach homosexual orientation is a sin or desires are sin, but action is. church does not have anything against homosexuals but has the duty to proclaim the truth as it knows it.
Hmm, where did you get your information? What Church are you talking about? There is no such thing as Christianity, there is Catholicism and then there are heresies. Otherwise what Church are you talking about as a unified whole? Anyone can call themselves Christian and make statements of belief in any fashion they wish. There are 40,000 denominations, either one is true or none are true. If none are true, pick what you like or pick none or make your own church. But if Christ established a church and these are splinter groups off it, then it is a duty to find out the true church; the one that has superior evidence in its favor is ofcourse the Catholic Church.
To understand what you say is once truth, and now changed, you have to understand the difference between dogma, doctrine, and discipline. Only discipline can be changed, not doctrine or dogma. There has never been a change in doctrine or dogma, and there never will be as long as the Church exists. Homosexuality is not something that will ever change, no matter what the majority believes or wants. It is a matter of truth, and truth does not change. For an extreme example, even in 1000 years, no matter the cultural context, rape will be considered wrong. The things you mention above have never been a matter of doctrine or dogma, and I will be ecstatic if you can provide me evidence of it being so. Please, I’m begging you.
Those were all cultural practices that were common in almost all cultures, not for theological reasons, but cultural context. Interracial marriage, Racial Superiority, Misogynistic views, and geocentric. None of those views were taught as official doctrine that cannot be changed. NONE. But homosexuality is.
The word sodomite also has an interesting history including sodomy meaning any non-reproductive sex act by heterosexuals or homosexuals. The attachment of a homosexual connotation to the word sodomite appeared towards the en of the first century.
Very well, what about the Reina-Valera translation of the 1500′s which expressly mention ‘sodomites’, or in other words, homosexuals.
its one of the many translations of these verses. The word homosexual didn’t actually appear in an English translation of the bible till 1946. before this and after other translators have used words like abusers of themselves and with others….Catamites…..effeminate…..homosexual offenders instead of men who practice homosexuality.
“Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”
- 1 Corinthians 6:9–11
Is this heresy and un-truth?
thanks Sue…..glad to know you are finding this information helpful and giving you new perspectives
Thank you Anthony. I am a learner. This has helped me to differentiate the orientation from the activity, I understand that to be homosexual is not to be immoral, or promiscuous. Anyone can be immoral. I believe there are still many who see it this way, though, but now I will be in a better position to explain to people who are also learning. Homosexuality is not a sin!!
Keep up the good work.
George don’t be silly….you need to read more. Leviticus is not talking about same sex orientation as we know it today……it is talking about male to male sex in temple prostitution and idolatrous worship
what are you talking about the the bible does say homosexuality is a sin, leviticus 20:13 it even goes the length that they should be put to death.
The churches previous position — The earth is the centre of the universe
I’m sorry but this is also the position of the Protestants in th 15th up to 16th century.
Copernicus gain the financial, moral, and spiritual support of the Jesuits. Knowing most of the greatest scientist at that time are jesuits.
During that time since there are no scientific proof that Earth is not the center of the universe thus, it is understandble that the church supports the assumption that Earth is the center of the universe.
Regarding on the studies og Galileo, stating that the Sun is the center of the universe, the church rejected his studies.
Not because it contradicts the Church beliefs, but his study lacks scientific facts to prove that. His theory is “half truth, half false”.
TRUE as new scientific studies say that Earth is not the center of the universe.
FALSE as new scientific studies say that SUN is not the center of the universe for it also has it’s own orbit and just like the Earth’s moon. It also moves toward a certain path in the universe.
wow, you erased my last comment?
considering your comment……you might be interested in this http://www.freedom2b.org/topic/1190
hey Jayem…..thanks for popping in and adding that special comment.
Consider finding yourself with a same sex attraction orientation as a Christian, and being asked to change that. It took years for me to even discover the ex-gay movement, and after trying that, psychotherapy, counselling, programs, prayer & accountability over 6 years, nothing essentially shifted. I used to blame myself for not “making it” – but these days I accept myself & believe God loves me, as much as he does the rest of his creation. I dont know how the future will play out for GLBT Christians in the universal church, but I would hope that people like myself would find safety & security in nurturing churches or with believers where they have that deep heartfelt knowledge that they are loved by their creator God.
I’m fortunate I stayed around to find these things out. Many, many young men & women take their own lives, believing they are unloved by others, family, christians, society, peers. My prayer is that you young people who feel so isolated, rejected, unworthy as believers WILL find the reality that God loves you as much as he does ALL of his creation.
I hear what you’re saying. I’m a Liberal Christian and a Pentecostal of long standing, in regular fellowship. I have come to accept myself as somewhat bisexual. I am married and my wife knows and supports me, Kevin
Thank You Anthony for your great service to this world. I been fallowing your work since I first listen to A Life for Unlearning audiobook like a year ago, And all I can say is that you are a great inspiration and I admire you so much for all this information and educational material you share with us, since I Understand how hard living discrimination is. I wish someday I can do something as powerful and significant for others as you do. Im sure your work is saving people´s lives and transforming this world and making it a better place to live. And for that Im very grateful, thankyou Anthony.
thanks Crystal. How did you find my site
Thank you so much. I couldn’t agree more.
thanks for the additional insights Nigel……its a common struggle around the world isn’t it….to overcome years of ignorance which has lead to all types of bigotry , discrimination and prejudice.
Hi Anthony,
Thanks for the effort in putting together this article. As you are aware, I came to Australia from South Africa. One of the four pillars of apartheid was the Prohibition of Mixed Marriages Act, Act No 55 of 1949. This was fully supported and unambiguously entrenched by the major Afrikaans Church, the NGK (Nederduitse Gereformeerde Kerk ) or the Dutch Reformed Church of South Africa. Interracial marriages were simply prohibited. This highly bigoted way of viewing the world by the NGK also ensured that any behavior not sanctioned by this ultra conservative and dominant order, was both illegal and was grounds for imprisonment. This included homosexual behavior.
The Prohibition of Mixed Marriages Act was only scrapped in 1985 as part of the slow dismantling of apartheid under the last white President as the country transitioned towards full democracy in 1994. The churches had no option but to change their views on interracial marriage as their opposition to it now became illegal and they suddenly embraced and supported the idea – hypocrisy indeed! I lived next door to a NGK minister at the time and witnessed the agony he went through as his prejudices were being challenged.
It was also at that time that the new Constitution was born which specifically prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. An extract states: “The state may not unfairly discriminate directly or indirectly against anyone on one or more grounds, including race, gender, sex, pregnancy, marital status, ethnic or social origin, colour, sexual orientation, age, disability, religion, conscience, belief, culture, language and birth.”
The flowing also appeared in a recent press article in South Africa:
“South Africa is the only country in the world where the Constitution specifically prohibits discrimination against sexual minorities. An organised opposition to same-sex marriages in South Africa is very weak, and mainly composed of conservative minority church groups. South Africans at large, however, are sceptical to homosexuality, recent surveys have shown.”
Attitudes change slowly, but at least the courts are there to support!
thanks Meg….nice to hear from you….it took me a long time to sort out the difference between the two myself. The Assemblies of God in Australia have acknowledge the difference as well.
http://www.aog.org.au/Media/MediaReleases/tabid/146/Default.aspx#2006-03-07
“However, we need to distinguish between a person’s identity and activity. There is a great deal of difference between a homosexual preference and homosexual practice. It is the latter that is the issue here. People may argue about how easy it is to choose or change our sexual preference but we can definitely choose our sexual behaviour.”
We should never assume that just because someone is same sex oriented that it automatically makes them immoral or promiscuous any more than we should if someone is heterosexual.
Hi Tony, thanks for this, I’ve read it and believe what you say about
homosexuality = promiscuity—‘my morality is a choice, my sexual orientation, however, isn’t’.
I think therein lies a key because God does speak about immorality.
Love to you
Meg Sbrocchi